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Sorry for going a bit without a substantive post. This time, I share my thoughts on David Spangler's Blessing: the Art and the Practice, and as always, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Date: 2025-01-27 07:54 am (UTC)
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Off topic, but I just read your previous post (https://jpowellrussell.com/#uplifting_the_everyday_against_pulling_down_the_stand_outs) and had a few thoughts.
1. it reminded me that the Odinic concept that learning is a sacrifice has its other side in that learning is also not a one and done.The choice is between continuously living - sacrificing a part of the old self in order to recreate the self anew - and ossifying.
2. excellence is relative and not fixed. There are many stories of athletes who at one stage in their careers were far from being the best in their bracket, but kept developing whereas those above them stopped (chose to stop?) developing and were overtaken. (The canonical example is Michael Jordan as a high school playet, though an argument could be made for Brady as well.) I saw this in my own high school teaching (past-life ;-) with an average student who chose to put the work in and within a year had overtaken the previous top student. I also saw this in my own early sporting career, and have seen it many times. The human is a supreme learning organism if we choose to make use of its powers.
3. Tolstoy's War and Peace is possibly the greatest discussion of the 'big man' view of history vs the weltgeist view - in many ways I interpret him as being for the middle path: the weltgeist is important, but it requires the great individual who is able to sense that spirit and work with it instead of against it (Kutusov being the great example in the book).
Edited (formatting paras) Date: 2025-01-27 07:54 am (UTC)

Date: 2025-01-27 12:55 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for the new blog! I always wonder about statements like "everyone around you is a little better off because you are kinder". What would the world look like if Zeus was kind?

Date: 2025-01-27 09:47 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for your reply. Both your definitions imply good will come to the recipient of the blessing. To me "May the Gods give you what you deserve" feels like a blessing, but not necessarily nice or good for the recipient.

I guess it depends on how far you stretch a "holistic view of what's good for them". Does the recipient have to agree that it's good for them? What does it mean if you bless someone who happens to be a thief?

Date: 2025-01-28 03:02 pm (UTC)
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Thanks, that's food for fought. When defining what is good scope is important. One could look at what's good from the point of view of the blesser, the blessed, humanity, the world, and so on. And then it depends on who the authority is: my view of what is good for humanity will not be the same as your view.

Obviously God approves of herons eating ducklings, big fish eating smaller fish, and time eating us all. I would not call any of these things nice, yet to me it seems that is the way the world is meant to be.

Date: 2025-02-12 02:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for recommending Spangler's book. I'm very much enjoying it. Two thoughts so far:

1) Int his current thread about what is good for one person may be different for another, I hear you alluding to the concept of healthy separation, i.e. I can ask myself the question "how is it for me to experience difference with another person, particularly someone who matters to me?" This is a complex capacity that I find is compromised for many people these days.

2) Spangler frequently makes a distinction between kindness N blessing, something I am grappling with. It seems to me that a kindness that offers grace to another can be equivalent to a blessing while an apparent kindness that is misattuned such as offering a candy bar to someone trying not to eat sugar is a misattunement. Thoughts?

Thanks!

states versus behaviors

Date: 2025-02-12 02:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Or following up on my previous comment, is a kindness a behavior while a true blessing is a spiritual state we extend to another? This would be consistent with the idea of Spangler's unobstructed.

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